You're right, Randy. While the world is definitely better off with less and less terrorists running around, I don't think it's ever acceptable to wish eternal punishment on people, when God Himself does not delight in the death of the wicked. It does make you wonder, though, if these anti-Bush types aren't happy that Zarqawi is dead, what were they still hoping he would do? BTW, do you know what card he was? Like, the King of Diamonds or something? Are they still doing that? I just thought it was a cool system.
Stacy L. Harp
· 3 years ago
A sigh of relief goes around the world? :), obviously you haven't been following the liberal media or the gay blogs, as they are not rejoicing about this. Sad isn't it.
kevin
· 3 years ago
Stacy--please name the liberal or gay blogs that are complaining that he is dead. And do all the conservative and straight bloggers comment on this and celebrate it? I did not mention is on my blogsite--not that I am not glad he is gone but what could I say? He was killed with 2 500 pound bombs. He got what he deserved (but what about the baby that was blown to bits as well?). But I don't need to dance around on his dead body nor do I need to look at the video of his dead body nor do I need to gleefully announce to the world on my blog that he is dead. I told my partner that CNN had that video and we both groaned in disgust. Neither one of us want to see a dead body paraded around, even it if is Bin Laden. No one needs to celebrate these deaths with a drink or a party--we all feel a bit of relief. But to not comment on this does not mean people do not care.
Randy
· 3 years ago
The limited access I have here at the hotel is down so I am only able to get online via my Treo. I do not surf much this way so I do not know what the liberal blogs are saying but whatever it is ... I am not surprised at their willingness to minimize or be silent. Mike, I do not know about the card thing. Kurt, there is not a single gay activist who comws close to instilling fear in me. I couldn't compare them with terrorists. Now, there are a couple of stalkers I have called the cops on but they are just unbalanced, I don't think they would be considered activists.
Kurt Wayne
· 3 years ago
Stacy, Indeed, there's a gay blog I visit where the owner thought it a big deal that he's launching an "anti-ex-gay" web site, and he made a big editorial about it yesterday (which surprisingly few have responded to). And today he (very anti-GWB, surprise surprise) is quite silent. Justice. (And I know there are many GLBT people who support George W. Bush and the war on terror.) I won't compare the blogger I refer to Al-Zarqawi, not as a terrorist. But cnn.com now has video up showing us (from above) what was probably the moment of the deceased terrorist's death. Our God is a God of LOVE. He's also, however, all about justice...I once heard a minister say you can't have true love without true justice. And isn't it just (that only God could deliver) that a terrorist who made a video of beheading an innocent civilian, seen worldwide, can have his own death seen worldwide with the help of surveillance cameras on the aircrafts which dropped the two 500 lb. bombs into al Zarqawi's so-called "safe house". And I honestly hope that, somehow, al-Zarqawi and those who perished with him had the name of Jesus on their lips before they died. They earned the consequences of their actions, but I honestly hope some or all of them repented.
Stacy L. Harp
· 3 years ago
A sigh of relief goes around the world? :), obviously you haven't been following the liberal media or the gay blogs, as they are not rejoicing about this. Sad isn't it.
Kurt Wayne
· 3 years ago
justice...I once heard a minister say you can't have true love without true justice. And isn't it just (that only God could deliver) that a terrorist who made a video of beheading an innocent civilian, seen worldwide, can have his own death seen worldwide with the help of surveillance cameras on the aircrafts which dropped the two 500 lb. bombs into al Zarqawi's so-called "safe house".
And I honestly hope that, somehow, al-Zarqawi and those who perished with him had the name of Jesus on their lips before they died. They earned the consequences of their actions, but I honestly hope some or all of them repented.
Mike Ensley
· 3 years ago
You're right, Randy. While the world is definitely better off with less and less terrorists running around, I don't think it's ever acceptable to wish eternal punishment on people, when God Himself does not delight in the death of the wicked.
It does make you wonder, though, if these anti-Bush types aren't happy that Zarqawi is dead, what were they still hoping he would do?
BTW, do you know what card he was? Like, the King of Diamonds or something? Are they still doing that? I just thought it was a cool system.
Randy
· 3 years ago
The limited access I have here at the hotel is down so I am only able to get online via my Treo. I do not surf much this way so I do not know what the liberal blogs are saying but whatever it is ... I am not surprised at their willingness to minimize or be silent.
Mike, I do not know about the card thing. Kurt, there is not a single gay activist who comws close to instilling fear in me. I couldn't compare them with terrorists. Now, there are a couple of stalkers I have called the cops on but they are just unbalanced, I don't think they would be considered activists.
Mike Ensley
· 3 years ago
Oops! I was responding to Kurt's comment...but I agree with Randy, too. *sigh* (of relief)
kevin
· 3 years ago
Stacy--please name the liberal or gay blogs that are complaining that he is dead. And do all the conservative and straight bloggers comment on this and celebrate it? I did not mention is on my blogsite--not that I am not glad he is gone but what could I say? He was killed with 2 500 pound bombs. He got what he deserved (but what about the baby that was blown to bits as well?). But I don't need to dance around on his dead body nor do I need to look at the video of his dead body nor do I need to gleefully announce to the world on my blog that he is dead. I told my partner that CNN had that video and we both groaned in disgust. Neither one of us want to see a dead body paraded around, even it if is Bin Laden. No one needs to celebrate these deaths with a drink or a party--we all feel a bit of relief. But to not comment on this does not mean people do not care.
Stacy L. Harp
· 3 years ago
In a word Aravosis. He's the most prominent gay blogger on the net, and what he said, well, says it all. At the time I'm writing this he has 455 comments on that entry, which I also think is telling.
John has used this to just further his hate for President Bush, and like I said earlier, it is sad. That's my final word on the subject.
kevin
· 3 years ago
So just one blog? One out of hundreds of millions and he is it? Anyway, I assume you mean John Aravosis at Americablog.blogspot.com? I can't seem to find another blog by him. Anyway, I see the comments. Yes, people are not celebrating his death but no one is saying "How could they kill such a good man?" either. They are questioning whether his death is true or not. Very legitimate question, considering I have heard of his death before. Major Gen. Calwell said there was 100% verification that it was him, but they are still going to do DNA testing. They are also questioning what impact his death will have on the whole Iraq war. Since he was just portrayed by the U.S. government as someone who couldn't even shoot a rifle, I think that is a legitimate question. I, for one, am glad he is gone. Whether it makes a difference in the future, only time will tell.
Jack Yan
· 3 years ago
I stayed up to watch the announcement about al-Zarqawi on Fox News live, as it was in the small hours here. Boy, I have lost a heck of a lot of sleep!
kevin
· 3 years ago
So just one blog? One out of hundreds of millions and he is it? Anyway, I assume you mean John Aravosis at Americablog.blogspot.com? I can't seem to find another blog by him. Anyway, I see the comments. Yes, people are not celebrating his death but no one is saying "How could they kill such a good man?" either. They are questioning whether his death is true or not. Very legitimate question, considering I have heard of his death before. Major Gen. Calwell said there was 100% verification that it was him, but they are still going to do DNA testing. They are also questioning what impact his death will have on the whole Iraq war. Since he was just portrayed by the U.S. government as someone who couldn't even shoot a rifle, I think that is a legitimate question. I, for one, am glad he is gone. Whether it makes a difference in the future, only time will tell.
Kurt Wayne
· 3 years ago
Randy, Thanks and I should have worded my post differently. I, too, appreciate the grace of your response.
Steve Schalchlin
· 3 years ago
There is a very sobering analysis of Zarqawi by David Corn at The Nation. In it, he makes the point that Zarqawi's followers are among the smallest of groups that comprise the insurgency.
The Sunni-based insurgency draws on the 300,000 or so former members of the Iraq army that was disbanded in May 2003. And the Shiite militias have thousands of armed loyalists. Though Zarqawi was an evil leader responsible for the most dramatic acts of terrorism, he was something of a sideshow. Recently, an Iraqi intelligence officer told me that the most pressing problem in Iraq was not Zarqawi and his jihadists but the infiltration of the military and security forces by the various militias. These groups are responsible for the death squad-like activities (kidnappings, murders) that have terrorized Iraqis.
He also reminds us that Bush had three opportunities to take out Zarqawi before the war began when he was running al qaeda training camps in the far north of Iraq. But the administration was focused on making a case for the war against Saddam. Again, quoting:
In March 2004, NBC News' Jim Miklaszewski reported that the White House had three times in 2002 turned down a Pentagon request to attack Zarqawi, who then was believed to be running a weapons lab in northern Iraq--in territory not controlled by Saddam Hussein's government. Miklaszewski wrote that "the administration feared destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq could undercut its case for war against Saddam." That is, the Bush White House let Zarqawi alone so it would have an easier time selling the war in Iraq.
It was the invasion of Iraq that made Zarqawi so powerful in the first place. And how, with the Taliban experiencing a deadly resurgence in Afghanistan, it becomes even more apparent that abandoning the plan for stabilizing the Afghan government in order to create a second front in the war in Iraq, this administration made a fatefully bad decision. It has emboldened al qaeda, allowed Bin Laden to get away, frightened Iranians into installing an extremist President and wasted billions of dollars.
Amanda
· 3 years ago
Randy--I really appreciate your humility on the subject. You're full of grace and compassion, and my respect for you just increased ten-fold.
Stacy L. Harp
· 3 years ago
In a word Aravosis. He's the most prominent gay blogger on the net, and what he said, well, says it all. At the time I'm writing this he has 455 comments on that entry, which I also think is telling. John has used this to just further his hate for President Bush, and like I said earlier, it is sad. That's my final word on the subject.
Jack Yan
· 3 years ago
I stayed up to watch the announcement about al-Zarqawi on Fox News live, as it was in the small hours here. Boy, I have lost a heck of a lot of sleep!
Amanda
· 3 years ago
Randy--I really appreciate your humility on the subject. You're full of grace and compassion, and my respect for you just increased ten-fold.
Steve Schalchlin
· 3 years ago
very sobering analysis of Zarqawi by David Corn at The Nation. In it, he makes the point that Zarqawi's followers are among the smallest of groups that comprise the insurgency.
The Sunni-based insurgency draws on the 300,000 or so former members of the Iraq army that was disbanded in May 2003. And the Shiite militias have thousands of armed loyalists. Though Zarqawi was an evil leader responsible for the most dramatic acts of terrorism, he was something of a sideshow. Recently, an Iraqi intelligence officer told me that the most pressing problem in Iraq was not Zarqawi and his jihadists but the infiltration of the military and security forces by the various militias. These groups are responsible for the death squad-like activities (kidnappings, murders) that have terrorized Iraqis.
He also reminds us that Bush had three opportunities to take out Zarqawi before the war began when he was running al qaeda training camps in the far north of Iraq. But the administration was focused on making a case for the war against Saddam. Again, quoting:
In March 2004, NBC News' Jim Miklaszewski reported that the White House had three times in 2002 turned down a Pentagon request to attack Zarqawi, who then was believed to be running a weapons lab in northern Iraq--in territory not controlled by Saddam Hussein's government. Miklaszewski wrote that "the administration feared destroying the terrorist camp in Iraq could undercut its case for war against Saddam." That is, the Bush White House let Zarqawi alone so it would have an easier time selling the war in Iraq.
It was the invasion of Iraq that made Zarqawi so powerful in the first place. And how, with the Taliban experiencing a deadly resurgence in Afghanistan, it becomes even more apparent that abandoning the plan for stabilizing the Afghan government in order to create a second front in the war in Iraq, this administration made a fatefully bad decision. It has emboldened al qaeda, allowed Bin Laden to get away, frightened Iranians into installing an extremist President and wasted billions of dollars.
Kurt Wayne
· 3 years ago
Randy,
Thanks and I should have worded my post differently. I, too, appreciate the grace of your response.
Randy
· 3 years ago
well ... some blogs have their schtick and image to uphold and all definitely have opinions. I purposefully try to read well documented blogs along with the pundit wannabees because somewhere the truth shakes out.
Usually it seems in the blogosphere that people latch on to what they want to hear. Thay also tend to focus on sensational opponenets for more blog fodder. It is infotainment most of the time. Even so, it takes some work and some surfing but there is a wealth of info out there.
I really like the conversations we are having here.
Randy
· 3 years ago
well ... some blogs have their schtick and image to uphold and all definitely have opinions. I purposefully try to read well documented blogs along with the pundit wannabees because somewhere the truth shakes out. Usually it seems in the blogosphere that people latch on to what they want to hear. Thay also tend to focus on sensational opponenets for more blog fodder. It is infotainment most of the time. Even so, it takes some work and some surfing but there is a wealth of info out there. I really like the conversations we are having here.
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It does make you wonder, though, if these anti-Bush types aren't happy that Zarqawi is dead, what were they still hoping he would do?
BTW, do you know what card he was? Like, the King of Diamonds or something? Are they still doing that? I just thought it was a cool system.
Mike, I do not know about the card thing. Kurt, there is not a single gay activist who comws close to instilling fear in me. I couldn't compare them with terrorists. Now, there are a couple of stalkers I have called the cops on but they are just unbalanced, I don't think they would be considered activists.
Indeed, there's a gay blog I visit where the owner thought it a big deal that he's launching an "anti-ex-gay" web site, and he made a big editorial about it yesterday (which surprisingly few have responded to). And today he (very anti-GWB, surprise surprise) is quite silent.
Justice.
(And I know there are many GLBT people who support George W. Bush and the war on terror.)
I won't compare the blogger I refer to Al-Zarqawi, not as a terrorist. But cnn.com now has video up showing us (from above) what was probably the moment of the deceased terrorist's death.
Our God is a God of LOVE. He's also, however, all about justice...I once heard a minister say you can't have true love without true justice. And isn't it just (that only God could deliver) that a terrorist who made a video of beheading an innocent civilian, seen worldwide, can have his own death seen worldwide with the help of surveillance cameras on the aircrafts which dropped the two 500 lb. bombs into al Zarqawi's so-called "safe house".
And I honestly hope that, somehow, al-Zarqawi and those who perished with him had the name of Jesus on their lips before they died. They earned the consequences of their actions, but I honestly hope some or all of them repented.
And I honestly hope that, somehow, al-Zarqawi and those who perished with him had the name of Jesus on their lips before they died. They earned the consequences of their actions, but I honestly hope some or all of them repented.
It does make you wonder, though, if these anti-Bush types aren't happy that Zarqawi is dead, what were they still hoping he would do?
BTW, do you know what card he was? Like, the King of Diamonds or something? Are they still doing that? I just thought it was a cool system.
Mike, I do not know about the card thing. Kurt, there is not a single gay activist who comws close to instilling fear in me. I couldn't compare them with terrorists. Now, there are a couple of stalkers I have called the cops on but they are just unbalanced, I don't think they would be considered activists.
John has used this to just further his hate for President Bush, and like I said earlier, it is sad. That's my final word on the subject.
Thanks and I should have worded my post differently. I, too, appreciate the grace of your response.
He also reminds us that Bush had three opportunities to take out Zarqawi before the war began when he was running al qaeda training camps in the far north of Iraq. But the administration was focused on making a case for the war against Saddam. Again, quoting:
It was the invasion of Iraq that made Zarqawi so powerful in the first place. And how, with the Taliban experiencing a deadly resurgence in Afghanistan, it becomes even more apparent that abandoning the plan for stabilizing the Afghan government in order to create a second front in the war in Iraq, this administration made a fatefully bad decision. It has emboldened al qaeda, allowed Bin Laden to get away, frightened Iranians into installing an extremist President and wasted billions of dollars.
John has used this to just further his hate for President Bush, and like I said earlier, it is sad. That's my final word on the subject.
He also reminds us that Bush had three opportunities to take out Zarqawi before the war began when he was running al qaeda training camps in the far north of Iraq. But the administration was focused on making a case for the war against Saddam. Again, quoting:
It was the invasion of Iraq that made Zarqawi so powerful in the first place. And how, with the Taliban experiencing a deadly resurgence in Afghanistan, it becomes even more apparent that abandoning the plan for stabilizing the Afghan government in order to create a second front in the war in Iraq, this administration made a fatefully bad decision. It has emboldened al qaeda, allowed Bin Laden to get away, frightened Iranians into installing an extremist President and wasted billions of dollars.
Thanks and I should have worded my post differently. I, too, appreciate the grace of your response.
Usually it seems in the blogosphere that people latch on to what they want to hear. Thay also tend to focus on sensational opponenets for more blog fodder. It is infotainment most of the time. Even so, it takes some work and some surfing but there is a wealth of info out there.
I really like the conversations we are having here.
Usually it seems in the blogosphere that people latch on to what they want to hear. Thay also tend to focus on sensational opponenets for more blog fodder. It is infotainment most of the time. Even so, it takes some work and some surfing but there is a wealth of info out there.
I really like the conversations we are having here.