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Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

Janey — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:58:15 -0000

I thought that would be my last comment but here's on more and I'll end here. Honest...

McCain was all about him saying he's not another Bush Administration and he was all about attacking the Democratic... and yet I've seen from Obama a much stronger Christian Character even though he compromises with issues with abortion and same-sex marriage.

I personally believe that Obama not only represents the change that's needed for not only the US but also for the world, especially within the church.

The day I see a Political Party that embraces the total balance of Christian morals and values...

Righteousness & Justice

Is the day I'll party and make my allegiance sort a speak.... but until then... we have what we have and I continue to pray for the US & Canada to see true change happen and I really believe I'll see that in my day.

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

Janey — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:54:03 -0000

And one last note....

I'm very excited about Obama becoming President.

People tend to think that the Republican's are "the face of Christianity" because they stand for in part biblical moral standards. I say in part because I find the Republican's compromise in faith and values as much as the Democrat's do as well.

The Democratic party stands for social justice

The Republican's for the sanctity of life and the sanctity of marriage.... Righteousness.

Yet the bible is very clear that it's both! Righteousness & Justice.

I have yet to see a political party that does not compromise with one or the other! This frustrates me to know end.

But in a time where there is such economic termoil the question is... do we really want a political party that is all about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. ?

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

Janey — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:48:40 -0000

And to continue.....

I also think that the mindset of people within the church need to change...

ie... Layministers Vs. Ministers (Paid position)..

I think for way too long the church has caused this seperation between the ordinary person and the Pastor in leadership who's paid to be in his position.

As a result the majority of the congregation has allowed for apathy to rise up within them and then blame the Pastor for when things go wrong.

But if the members within the congregation know and appreciate that they are as valuable as the Pastor and that the Pastor is simply a man who's like everyone else and apart of the body of Christ like everyone else then perhaps the body of Christ would function better.

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

Janey — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 20:44:55 -0000

Well, your review of this book makes me want to go get the book myself and read it.

One thing I have a sense of is that the next 4-8 years for the United States will make the nation or break the nation and with what the book writes about.... and you broke it down to a very understandable equation.... sorta.....

Boomers--wise vision casters.... working with

GenX-ers-- Pragmatic Problem Solvers... working with

Millennial--Brave Implenters

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

Janey — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:58:15 -0000

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

Janey — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:54:03 -0000

And one last note....

I'm very excited about Obama becoming President.

People tend to think that the Republican's are "the face of Christianity" because they stand for in part biblical moral standards. I say in part because I find the Republican's compromise in faith and values as much as the Democrat's do as well.

The Democratic party stands for social justice
The Republican's for the sanctity of life and the sanctity of marriage.... Righteousness.

Yet the bible is very clear that it's both! Righteousness & Justice.

I have yet to see a political party that does not compromise with one or the other! This frustrates me to know end.

But in a time where there is such economic termoil the question is... do we really want a political party that is all about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. ?

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

Janey — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:48:40 -0000

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

Janey — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:44:55 -0000

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

RThomasETC — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:27:28 -0000

If I can illicit reaction from the dead ... awesome ... but ...

is that Biblical? ::: grin :::

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

RThomasETC — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:24:16 -0000

Thanks Matt. I would like to read that follow up book too. I agree with them (and you) that the Millennials could quite possibly be the next "great" generation.

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

RThomasETC — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:22:49 -0000

That's a great parallel topic. I bet they do tie in together at some point.

My paternal lineage is from Wales.

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

RThomasETC — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 05:21:04 -0000

Well, if their name is Randy Thomas they must be good people! ;)

You look really familiar so I know I had met you before.

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

jonathan edmund — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:57:00 -0000

Hi! I met someone the other day named Randy Thomas, but it wasn't you :( You and I actually have met before, for the record, but it was about three years ago.

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

Matt_V — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:58:27 -0000

I've ALWAYS been interested in Strauss and Howe's insight into generational patterns. The book I want to read by them is called, "Millennials Rising." I think their secular perspective on history could shed light into the spiritual revival and awakening I believe God has for my generation. Glad you're enjoying the book!

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

ChaplianChas. — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:39:34 -0000

J Edwin Orr http://www.jedwinorr.com/) is a man I have never met, but have heard several times.

He tracked and traced revivals throughout the past couple hundred years, and it seems he would be onboard with this generational/ 100 year theme. Some good listens on this site (he died in the 1980's). My favorite is about the WELSH revival, especially it's beginning.

I know, I know, it's a LITTLE off topic, but since it jumped into my mind, I thought I should share!

Blessings!

ChaplainChas.

:-]>

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

B.T.Carolus — Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:06:19 -0000

Randy, William Faulkner is turning over in his grave. Mark Twain is probably laughing in his, but that's another story (Twain is also an acceptable and comprehensible author).

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

RThomasETC — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:50:25 -0000

well I really don't know what either of you are talking about because that is just the way people are sposed to talk ain't it? I mean if you keep breaking up paragraphs it ruins the flow and if I have to break up the flow of my Aunt Sarah (my real Aunt Sarah) vs. the skunk vs. the weiner dog name Joey ... it kills the momentum. By the way, that is a GREAT story and it is a good one to pull out at the potluck. Well, unless Mildred is there... she has an aversion to weiner dogs and just typically cranky anyway. By the way I am still sick and if it weren't for Dayquil I would probably just go home. I am a heckuva lot better than last week but still kind of yucky.

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

RThomasETC — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:46:18 -0000

I don't believe you. :-p

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

RThomasETC — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:45:43 -0000

I know. That's how I first heard about it. Sy ... I love 'em and ... he is a little crazy which makes me love 'em more :)

Hi Jonathan!

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

B.T.Carolus — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:08:02 -0000

page long? There's one in here that goes from page 147 to page 150, and is followed by one from 150 to 153, which is followed... :)

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

RThomasETC — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:27:28 -0000

If I can illicit reaction from the dead ... awesome ... but ...

is that Biblical? ::: grin :::

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

RThomasETC — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:24:16 -0000

Thanks Matt. I would like to read that follow up book too. I agree with them (and you) that the Millennials could quite possibly be the next "great" generation.

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

RThomasETC — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:22:49 -0000

That's a great parallel topic. I bet they do tie in together at some point.

My paternal lineage is from Wales.

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

RThomasETC — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:21:04 -0000

Well, if their name is Randy Thomas they must be good people! ;)

You look really familiar so I know I had met you before.

Re: Pondering “Change” and The Future

jonathan edmund — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:58:12 -0000

Sy Rogers speaks about this book and the 4th turning a lot. It's pretty crazy.