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  Brian

  1 year ago

  As a gay person, I can agree with you as well that it's not all positive, it's not all perfect. But I think every single one of my straight friends would echo that sentiment. Life is not all positive, and certainly not perfect.
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  Randy

  1 year ago

  That's why parents should be teaching their kids and not the school system.
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  PDub

  1 year ago

  It seems so obvious to anyone who follows education legislation that legislators sympathetic to gays consistently use public schools to promote the homosexual lifestyle. In California this trend is blatant. Perhaps that is one reason that public school enrollment is declining across the state while, simultaneously, the school - aged population is increasing.
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  Randy

  1 year ago

  Yeah ... what PDub said, even though you'll get in trouble for the "lifestyle" word :). It's good to see you PDub.
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  Brian

  1 year ago

  As a gay person, I can agree with you as well that it's not all positive, it's not all perfect. But I think every single one of my straight friends would echo that sentiment. Life is not all positive, and certainly not perfect.
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  Randy

  1 year ago

  That's why parents should be teaching their kids and not the school system.
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  PDub

  1 year ago

  It seems so obvious to anyone who follows education legislation that legislators sympathetic to gays consistently use public schools to promote the homosexual lifestyle. In California this trend is blatant. Perhaps that is one reason that public school enrollment is declining across the state while, simultaneously, the school - aged population is increasing.
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  Randy

  1 year ago

  Yeah ... what PDub said, even though you'll get in trouble for the "lifestyle" word :). It's good to see you PDub.
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  Jonathan

  1 year ago

  I must live in the wrong part of California. I mean, my kid is in 4th grade in a public school in West Hollywood. Since the first grade, I diligently go over his homework with him every evening. Maybe it's blatant when they get into the higher grades. So far, I've seen no evidence of anything that would remotely suggest a "blatant" trend to promote homosexuality. My little guy certainly hasn't. So far, the only thing he is for sure of is that the girls like him (that's cool) and gay people can be identified because they have zits (can't explain). He's still not sure if either his dad or I are gay, although recently he's been asking some questions which I've tried to answer with age appropriate answers. I don't want school to promote anything. At the same time, I can't stay home and homeschool my kid...as much as I would like to. As such, there is going to be a certain level of things that I will probably not agree with. It's my responsibility to offer a counter-balance to what he is taught in school, thereby giving him the tools to one day make the best decisions he can.
  
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  PDub

  1 year ago

  Those who feel that education policy should be judged by what comes home every evening in the form of homework are naive. J, simply search Assemblyman Leno or State Senator Kuehl to get a sense of their interests in education policy and how it should be bent toward those who identify as homosexual. Make sure you check multiple legislative sessions so that you can see the consistent pattern to advance homosexual identity in California's education policy.
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  Jonathan

  1 year ago

  I must live in the wrong part of California. I mean, my kid is in 4th grade in a public school in West Hollywood. Since the first grade, I diligently go over his homework with him every evening. Maybe it's blatant when they get into the higher grades. So far, I've seen no evidence of anything that would remotely suggest a "blatant" trend to promote homosexuality. My little guy certainly hasn't. So far, the only thing he is for sure of is that the girls like him (that's cool) and gay people can be identified because they have zits (can't explain). He's still not sure if either his dad or I are gay, although recently he's been asking some questions which I've tried to answer with age appropriate answers. I don't want school to promote anything. At the same time, I can't stay home and homeschool my kid...as much as I would like to. As such, there is going to be a certain level of things that I will probably not agree with. It's my responsibility to offer a counter-balance to what he is taught in school, thereby giving him the tools to one day make the best decisions he can.
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  PDub

  1 year ago

  Those who feel that education policy should be judged by what comes home every evening in the form of homework are naive. J, simply search Assemblyman Leno or State Senator Kuehl to get a sense of their interests in education policy and how it should be bent toward those who identify as homosexual. Make sure you check multiple legislative sessions so that you can see the consistent pattern to advance homosexual identity in California's education policy.
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  Jonathan

  1 year ago

  Let's just say homework is not my only involvement (or solely source of understanding) when it comes to knowing what my son is being taught in school. Do you have a kid enrolled in public school in CA?
  
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  Randy

  1 year ago

  PDub of course can speak for himself but I know he has a kid in California school system ... and he grew up in California so I would think he went to public school too (he might have gone to private school for all I know.)
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  Jonathan

  1 year ago

  Let's just say homework is not my only involvement (or solely source of understanding) when it comes to knowing what my son is being taught in school. Do you have a kid enrolled in public school in CA?
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  Randy

  1 year ago

  PDub of course can speak for himself but I know he has a kid in California school system ... and he grew up in California so I would think he went to public school too (he might have gone to private school for all I know.)
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  Jonathan

  1 year ago

  Didn't mean that to sound as snarky as it does when reading it back. LOL. I find it fascinating in my correspondence with some of my more conservative friends who tell me about how horrid it is what goes on in CA schools. Then I find out their information is not from any direct interaction with the school system.
  
  Look, my kid goes to school in one of the most "progressive" cities in the state. I also understand though that public education is just that...public. Which means that in some ways, my kid is going to be exposed to things that could run very much counter to our family beliefs. The only effective way to counter-balance what he is taught in school is to be active at home. Whatever he's taught in school is viewed through the lenses of his home life. Which, in my opinion, is as it should be.
  
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  Jonathan

  1 year ago

  Didn't mean that to sound as snarky as it does when reading it back. LOL. I find it fascinating in my correspondence with some of my more conservative friends who tell me about how horrid it is what goes on in CA schools. Then I find out their information is not from any direct interaction with the school system.
  Look, my kid goes to school in one of the most "progressive" cities in the state. I also understand though that public education is just that...public. Which means that in some ways, my kid is going to be exposed to things that could run very much counter to our family beliefs. The only effective way to counter-balance what he is taught in school is to be active at home. Whatever he's taught in school is viewed through the lenses of his home life. Which, in my opinion, is as it should be.
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  Randy

  1 year ago

  Mom and Dad should not have to filter what the public schools are teaching about the *private* concerns of sexuality. The public schools have no business in redefining family, gender identity or marriage either. That is not the "public" school system's job.
  
  J. because you live in a same sex relationship and are role modeling that to Paris, you might be content to look at what they are teaching through a lens. Others want to stop them from overstepping their bounds to begin with. Or, at the very least, have the opportunity to present our side and counter criticisms as well.
  
  School curriculum should never trump parental rights. To view it through a lens means the parents have to react to the school system... not the school system honoring parental rights to raise their own children.
  
  Just my humble and not meant to be snarky at all opinion.
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  Randy

  1 year ago

  Mom and Dad should not have to filter what the public schools are teaching about the *private* concerns of sexuality. The public schools have no business in redefining family, gender identity or marriage either. That is not the "public" school system's job.
  J. because you live in a same sex relationship and are role modeling that to Paris, you might be content to look at what they are teaching through a lens. Others want to stop them from overstepping their bounds to begin with. Or, at the very least, have the opportunity to present our side and counter criticisms as well.
  School curriculum should never trump parental rights. To view it through a lens means the parents have to react to the school system... not the school system honoring parental rights to raise their own children.
  Just my humble and not meant to be snarky at all opinion.
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  Jonathan

  1 year ago

  LOL! :-)
  
  I guess I just haven't had to deal with the topic of human sexuality in the school setting with Paris. I am hopeful that we won't have to deal for a couple of years. At 9, he's just too young to be exposed...in my opinion. While he truly understands that we are his "parents", at the same time, what he sees at home isn't some activism kind of stuff. He's sheltered, and I like that. I want him to be able to grow up organically. Mostly, I want him to grow up to love God first because it's really through those lens that everything falls into place.
  
  j.
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  Jonathan

  1 year ago

  LOL! :-)
  I guess I just haven't had to deal with the topic of human sexuality in the school setting with Paris. I am hopeful that we won't have to deal for a couple of years. At 9, he's just too young to be exposed...in my opinion. While he truly understands that we are his "parents", at the same time, what he sees at home isn't some activism kind of stuff. He's sheltered, and I like that. I want him to be able to grow up organically. Mostly, I want him to grow up to love God first because it's really through those lens that everything falls into place.
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  PDub

  1 year ago

  Sorry I have been away and don't mean to be unresponsive. First, I do have a child in public school in CA. I am a product of the California public school system.
  Where I feel people get a bit of a distorted view of education and social policy (in fact, all public policy) is the classic view that all is well in my little corner of the world but everything else is awful.
  In my view, as far as education policy in CA, it is beholden to teachers unions and their interests in higher pay and benefits - and pushing a liberal, pro-homosexual agenda. It has little to do with true education and the desires of most parents.
  J, it's great to know you are satisfied with your son's education. That, however, does not mitigate the fact that CA education policy is in the toilet.
  PW
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  PDub

  1 year ago

  Sorry I have been away and don't mean to be unresponsive. First, I do have a child in public school in CA. I am a product of the California public school system.
  Where I feel people get a bit of a distorted view of education and social policy (in fact, all public policy) is the classic view that all is well in my little corner of the world but everything else is awful.
  In my view, as far as education policy in CA, it is beholden to teachers unions and their interests in higher pay and benefits - and pushing a liberal, pro-homosexual agenda. It has little to do with true education and the desires of most parents.
  J, it's great to know you are satisfied with your son's education. That, however, does not mitigate the fact that CA education policy is in the toilet.
  PW
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