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How we mourn thee! Thou art trash
now, which once wert fine.
By such offenses down-ed cast
and muchly bummed are we, since smashed
is thy lens divine.
Cindy I think it is beyond repairs that would be cheaper than a new camera... it would appear to be totalled. ::: second sniffle :::
How we mourn thee! Thou art trash
now, which once wert fine.
By such offenses down-ed cast
and muchly bummed are we, since smashed
is thy lens divine.
Sorry about the camera.
Cindy I think it is beyond repairs that would be cheaper than a new camera... it would appear to be totalled. ::: second sniffle :::
Sorry about the camera.
I'm really sorry too.
I feel like we should all just observe a moment of silence.
::: joining Kurt T in a moment of silence ::: sigh :::
Maybe you will like this:
HAS ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS LOST ITS WAY?
I have been a member of Alcoholics Anonymous for 28 years. AA has become a worldwide and an American Institution. Treatment centers throughout the United States tout the 12 steps and Christian Churches in the USA provide meeting places for Alcoholics Anonymous. It is not polite to criticize AA. But countless American depend on AA and its teachings, so it is legitimate to ask “Has AA lost its Way ? ” I say it has.
Its not that there is anything wrong with the 12 steps. AA’s founder, Bill Wilson, rightly said that the principles of the 12 steps came from the Bible. Consider what one early AA member had to say years ago: One morning, after a sleepless night worrying over what I could do to straighten myself out, I went to my room alone-took my Bible in hand and asked Him, the One Power, that I might open to a good place to read-and I read. "For I delight in the law of God after the inward man. But I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?" That was enough for me-I started to understand. Here were the words of Paul a great teacher. What then if I had slipped? Now, I could understand. From that day years ago, I gave, still give and always will give time everyday to read the word of God and let Him do all the caring. Who am I to try to run myself or anyone else?*
Times have changed since then. All references to the Holy Bible have been taken out of the later editions of the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous ( the teaching text of Alcoholics Anonymous) , and not by accident. But that’s not all.AA has a tradition which states:“No AA group or member should ever, in such a way as to implicate AA, express any opinion on outside controversial issues”Despite this fact, AA has taken a position of subtly and not so subtly endorsing homosexuality. There are many examples : Contrast that previous statement by an early AA with this statement by a modern AA
“In A.A. today, I know sober leather fans, transvestites, and members of every other sexual group there is. But the only important thing here is that we are all human beings, all alcoholics, and all in A.A. together.”**
The sad fact is that the Gay Rights movement has infiltrated Alcoholics Anonymous and its literature. Being Gay is equated with being Jewish, Black, or Native American on the Alcoholics Anonymous World Services Website:
http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/default/en_...
Roundups are large AA functions similar to conventions which usually last 2 to 3 days. Below is a link to over 40 major Gay/Lesbian Alcoholics Anoymous roundups around the country.
http://www.gayalcoholics.com/aa-roundups-events...
If I went to a Church and I found out that the were over 40 major gay/lesbian events sponsored by the Church or using the Church name I could rightly concluded that the Church endorsed the gay/lesbian lifestyle. AA says it doesnt endorse any causes, but the reality is quite different.Individual AA meetings, especialy in conservative rural locations, may have members that dont approve of the gay lifestyle. But as an Organization, AA is welcoming and embracing of the homosexual lifestyle. AA members who say it isnt arent being honest. Not only have the overtly Christian Testimonies been deleted from the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous but one of the stories in the “New improved” Fourth edition is the inclusion of the testimony of an openly gay unrepentant homosexual (“Tightrope”) .
http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/en_theystoppedi...
This had never happened before in the over 60 year history of AA. It is certain that Alcoholics Anonymous would never have gained the acceptance and co-operation of many religious people in its early years had they included that kind of story.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Gays and Lesbians out to be excluded from AA, but only told that sin is sin. Anything less is a disservice to everyone, and contrary to the will of the Creator whose blessing we all seek.AA has lost its way, and should promptly admit its wrong.*The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous, First edition**My name is Padric, and I'm and Alcoholic (gay)
©2004 Christianrecovery.blogspot.com
At the same time, the group I did go to I went ONLY because it was "gay" friendly and it saved my life. If you had told me that sin is sin, I would have probably been very rude as I walked out the door. Who knows what would have happened? I would not have tolerated you to my own detriment.
The group I went to was a progay humanist-centric organization that the Lord sovereignly used to save my life. After the drugs were out of my system, I couldn't escape the still small voice Who told me He loved me. I eventually came to faith.
I am not a part of the group any longer because my faith is not tolerated and I don't feel led of the Lord to directly stay within those spheres of influence. I understand the frustration of a Christian within those realms. At the same time I trust the Lord to work within their parameters to do what's the life-saving "next right thing" in a person's journey to find and be found by Him.
While I empathize with your frustration, I am content to trust the Lord to use this 12 Step Program, in spite of them. I have that faith because that's what happened to me. Plus, it's not like I am perfect either. If there is any of His good in my life it is only His Grace in spite of my clumsiness.
And let me make it clear, I am not disagreeing with you. AA may have lost it's way. I do think it's terrible that people of faith are not tolerated. At the same time back when I joined that 12 step program, I personally just needed a program that helped me detox and learn basic life skills without having to face the "sinner" issue right off the bat. It was Christians within that program, that honored the rules and traditions, who eventually led me to the Lord. They met me where I was at and without pressure but relationship.
oh and before I forget, welcome to my blog Ted.
Maybe you will like this:
HAS ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS LOST ITS WAY?
I have been a member of Alcoholics Anonymous for 28 years. AA has become a worldwide and an American Institution. Treatment centers throughout the United States tout the 12 steps and Christian Churches in the USA provide meeting places for Alcoholics Anonymous. It is not polite to criticize AA. But countless American depend on AA and its teachings, so it is legitimate to ask “Has AA lost its Way ? ” I say it has.
Its not that there is anything wrong with the 12 steps. AA’s founder, Bill Wilson, rightly said that the principles of the 12 steps came from the Bible. Consider what one early AA member had to say years ago: One morning, after a sleepless night worrying over what I could do to straighten myself out, I went to my room alone-took my Bible in hand and asked Him, the One Power, that I might open to a good place to read-and I read. "For I delight in the law of God after the inward man. But I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?" That was enough for me-I started to understand. Here were the words of Paul a great teacher. What then if I had slipped? Now, I could understand. From that day years ago, I gave, still give and always will give time everyday to read the word of God and let Him do all the caring. Who am I to try to run myself or anyone else?*
Times have changed since then. All references to the Holy Bible have been taken out of the later editions of the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous ( the teaching text of Alcoholics Anonymous) , and not by accident. But that’s not all.AA has a tradition which states:“No AA group or member should ever, in such a way as to implicate AA, express any opinion on outside controversial issues”Despite this fact, AA has taken a position of subtly and not so subtly endorsing homosexuality. There are many examples : Contrast that previous statement by an early AA with this statement by a modern AA
“In A.A. today, I know sober leather fans, transvestites, and members of every other sexual group there is. But the only important thing here is that we are all human beings, all alcoholics, and all in A.A. together.”**
The sad fact is that the Gay Rights movement has infiltrated Alcoholics Anonymous and its literature. Being Gay is equated with being Jewish, Black, or Native American on the Alcoholics Anonymous World Services Website:
http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/default/en_...
Roundups are large AA functions similar to conventions which usually last 2 to 3 days. Below is a link to over 40 major Gay/Lesbian Alcoholics Anoymous roundups around the country.
http://www.gayalcoholics.com/aa-roundups-events...
If I went to a Church and I found out that the were over 40 major gay/lesbian events sponsored by the Church or using the Church name I could rightly concluded that the Church endorsed the gay/lesbian lifestyle. AA says it doesnt endorse any causes, but the reality is quite different.Individual AA meetings, especialy in conservative rural locations, may have members that dont approve of the gay lifestyle. But as an Organization, AA is welcoming and embracing of the homosexual lifestyle. AA members who say it isnt arent being honest. Not only have the overtly Christian Testimonies been deleted from the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous but one of the stories in the “New improved” Fourth edition is the inclusion of the testimony of an openly gay unrepentant homosexual (“Tightrope”) .
http://www.aa.org/bigbookonline/en_theystoppedi...
This had never happened before in the over 60 year history of AA. It is certain that Alcoholics Anonymous would never have gained the acceptance and co-operation of many religious people in its early years had they included that kind of story.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Gays and Lesbians out to be excluded from AA, but only told that sin is sin. Anything less is a disservice to everyone, and contrary to the will of the Creator whose blessing we all seek.AA has lost its way, and should promptly admit its wrong.*The Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous, First edition**My name is Padric, and I'm and Alcoholic (gay)
©2004 Christianrecovery.blogspot.com
I feel like we should all just observe a moment of silence.
I am humbled by your willingness to help with that.
Im glad AA helped save your life. But Im afraid for many it is going to help save their lives but help them lose their souls. Wouldnt it be nice if AA put the story of a repentant sober homosexual in their Big Book instead of one that endorses the homosexual lifestyle?
Keep up the good work, and God Bless.
Ted W.
I will try again tomorrow.
I will try again tomorrow.
Im glad AA helped save your life. But Im afraid for many it is going to help save their lives but help them lose their souls. Wouldnt it be nice if AA put the story of a repentant sober homosexual in their Big Book instead of one that endorses the homosexual lifestyle?
Keep up the good work, and God Bless.
Ted W.
I can be upset with them in one sense. They are openly hostile to Christians, I was in the 12 step program and was defended at the expense of Christians. Christians, unless called and given the grace, don't last long in most of those programs and that is a travesty.
And can a real spiritual awakening occur without admitting to our sins? I dont think so.
Modern AA just isnt what it was 65 years ago when the Christian testimonies were in the Big Book and the people gathered at Dr. Bobs house to read the book of James.
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